The Orthodox Jewish blogosphere is dominated by bloggers who are Modern Orthodox affiliated. The most obvious reason for the lack of Chareidi bloggers, I presume, is because Chareidim are general more wary of Internet usage. (I know, there are more reason; and no, illiteracy is not one of them.)
What astounded me, however, when joining this community, was the obsession that some have with chareidim. Generally negative.
I'm aware of quite a few Chareidi blogs, which cover many varying interests. Yet none of them have such an obsession with Modern Orthodox Jewry. Even with some mentions here and there, the negativity isn't nearly as strong.
Interestingly, much of this negativity seems to stem from an inferiority complex towards Chareidim. The fact that Chareidim don't at all consider MO scholars.
True, Chareidim generally reject the MO philosophy. Yet, while the disagreement might sometimes be heated, I never heard of it being a round-table discussion in Chareidi circles. Its more of a rejection, which leaves it at "you do yours and I do mine's", with Chareidim giving little regard to the MO world.
On the other hand, some in MO Jewry are seemingly obsessed with Chareidim. Which Gadol said what, etcetera. Analyzing every action and word of every Gadol. It reached a point where I don't have to frequent Chareidi websites to get my "Gadolim updates", the MO world does a far better job, with commentary!
Whatever a Chareidi Gadol says, I see critical analysis of exactly why this or that MO blogger disagrees. Why he has the right, and sometimes the requirement to do so.
It almost looks like they try to associate with Chareidim. While Chareidim distance themselves from the MO world, the MO world tries to push the idea that 'we really aren't that different', 'its only different shitta's', and so on. As if they're trying to excuse their behavior, why they do this or that.
In fact, in Chareidi yeshivas, there is little mention of the entire MO world, at all. Almost as if it doesn't exist. While I can't tell you for sure, I have a strong hunch that in MO yeshivas the situation is different.
Some bloggers, take this even further, to what some call "Chareidi bashing". They spend their time finding fault with Chareidim, at every opportunity. For the same reasons, I think. Sort of a way to say that, "hey, you're far from perfect too". Chareidim are not attacking you, as far as I see, dear blogger.
Defend Obama rather. He's the Chareidi punching bag now.
Yeah, a rambling post. Your opinion?
5 comments:
A great many of the bloggers you assume are Modern Orthodox, are not Modern Orthodox. In addition, you categorize the issue as Modern Orthodox Jews seeing Chareidim as not seeing them as scholars. I would frame it more along the lines of them seeing Chareidim as not seeing them as Orthodox.
> none of them have such an obsession with Modern Orthodox Jewry
Actually, try: authenticjudaism.blogspot.com
Now, to your post. One of the main perceived differences between MO and Chareidism is, as you noted, their view of the other side. Go into a Chareidi yeshiva and you will here nary a quote from a Modern Orthodox or Dati Leumi authority. The Rav, Rav Rav Kook, etc. don't get mentioned even though in any given topic, they might have something valuable to add to the discussion. There seems to be an intellectual line drawn - "our" authorities matter and only our authorities. Therefore they can safely dismiss a large chunk of the Torah observant community.
In Modern Orthodox yeshivos, however, the situation is the polar opposite. What, am I going to pretend there is any parity between the amount of lomdus in the Chareidi world and the amount in the non-Chareidi world? It would be absurd to try. Thus an MO or DL yeshiva would have to use Chareidi authorities to approach any given sugya or halachic topic. However, they would also include the words of their own authorities and thus reach a synthesis different from how a Chareidi yeshiva would pasken. As a result, they do continue to see a connection with the Chareidi community and therefore the Chareidi dismissal of them hurts on an emotional level, like being rejected by a brother you're trying very hard to get along with but who acts like you're more an annoyance than anything else.
Given the higher level of computer penetrance in the MO community, you're going to see more of that frustration expressed on-line while the Chareidi community, with its dismissiveness, doesn't seem to need to express it.
Anon,
I can only guess based on their content. Well, at least their "online personality" in MO. :)
I would place it somewhere between the two opposites.
Garnel,
That blog you mention has a lunatic writer. I don't think he deserves to be considered.
Now to your comment,
Exactly! You seem to be in total agreement. (MO and DL authorities might sneakily be mention by the better Maggidei Shiurim without attribution.) But your agreeing with the cause as well.
Chareidim don't have much of this frustration to express at all. While their Torah might be better by being more inclusive, I don't think they feel the loss.
It truth, this dismissal of MO Jewry is what makes chareidim chareidi.
IMO and WADR to NotBrisk this post is neither venerable nor a masterpiece but shallow and callow.
You assert that the MO show more hostility towards the Kharedim than vice versa. This assertion makes the mistake of thinking that the antithesis of love is hatred when, in fact, it is apathy.
While one may see less MO bashing emanating from Kharedi blogs than vice versa it is not because there is less hatred but because it is so entrenched and institutionalized that it goes without saying. The hatred kharedim bear towards MO is dismissive and contemptuous. The Kharedim feel the MO are so far OTD in allthings, that the MO Hashqafa is fundamentally warped and krum, that it is beneath contempt to react to them on particulars. The thinking goes: "These debates were settled 30-45 years ago so why rehash them now? Kharedism is vibrant, ascendant and triumphant while MO is a cluster withering on the vine."
Or do you actually think that "In fact, in Chareidi yeshivas, there is little mention of the entire MO world, at all. Almost as if it doesn't exist" is an expression of tender Ahavas Yisrael?
To illustrate in Chareidi yeshivas, there is little mention of the entire politics and society of the black underclass, at all. Almost as if it doesn't exist. Is our non-recognition of their existence and utter lack of interest in their affairs proof that we love them more than they love us?
Bray,
Since when does dismissal translate into hate?
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