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Life Of Yeshiva Guy came back alive with a new post today.


While I don't know the whole matzav (his language) thats going on, it doesn't smell right.

Would you send off your son to learn in Yeshiva in Israel if this is what he's spending his time on?

A focus on expensive eateries, overprices trips, etcetera?

And then decrying the bachurim's lack of fiscal discipline.

A big problem, true. But doesn't the problem start before that? Where did all that money go?

I doubt the problem is that they don't come with enough money to cover the basics.

Can something be done?

4 comments:

The Leader, Garnel Ironheart said...

Look at it this way: is there anything in the "year in Israel" that encourages a bochur to be responsible?
Think about it: at a young age when his maturity has not yet fully developed, he is sent off to a foreign land. He is not paying for this so he has no clue how hard it is to earn the money that was paid. His schedule is, at best, lax. Why shouldn't he try to avoid paying for his meal? Changes are he'll get away with it.

There is a huge difference between someone who earns money and someone who has it handed to him. If you work and earn money, it has value. You don't just frivolously throw it away on the latest black hat or a nice steak (and I like steak!). What was that Chazal said about why Yaakov Avinu went back the night before he met Eisav for those pachim ketanim?

I know lots of non-Jewish kids with dreams of going to university but whose parents can't afford to cover the entire tuition/residence bill. From the time they're 15 they scramble to find jobs, part-time during the year (which they balance with their studies) and full-time during the summer. No camps, sitting around and shmoozing over an unread gemara, just work because they know that if they don't, they're not going to go to higher education. And when they get to university, they work harder than most others because they understand the effort it took to get themselves there.

One of the hugest downsides of the kollel culture is this lack of appreciation. Everything is essentially handed to them. How could they have an appreciation for debt and the value of money?

Yosef Greenberg said...

Look, most of these bachurim, while they might want it, don't really have a choice in it. It part of a lifestyle that I'm questioning.

Now, I'm not coming here to attack the whole premise. There are *some* benefits in going; I just think that the risks usually outweigh the rewards.

Independence cannot be taught, it must be learned. This is another way to teach it. But it must be made clear, with boundaries drawn. Although I admit theres few ways how to supervise from afar.

If the boy has leaned some fiscal discipline and self-discipline before, this can turn out to be a great experience.

The subject of kollel is best left for another post. :)

The Leader, Garnel Ironheart said...

Like anything else, apply a blanket solution to a variable population is never going to work 100%. Some kids will thrive in Israel and become the next generation of poskim. Some will go OTD after a year full of drugs and sex with migrant workers. And everything else in between. There needs to be a screening process but no one will want to endorse it for fear that his kid will be the one screened out.

Yosef Greenberg said...

In todays "everybody's perfect" world, no screening process will ever work.

Someone once said a great word about todays yeshivos: They killed all the am haratzim and all geonim.

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